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Do they practice too much? Some parents think so
From their entertaining halftime shows to their burgeoning trophy racks, Leander ISD's high school marching bands have a growing reputation for precision and pageantry.

Vista Ridge High School Band qualified for state after performing at area UIL competition on Saturday, an honor earned by only four out of 24 bands in Area D; fewer than 10 percent of Texas 4A schools advance to state.

Leander High School Band recently earned a division I rating at the UIL Region Marching Contest - the 22nd consecutive year the band has taken the top rating at regional competition.

Cedar Park High School Band took grand champion in the Sam Houston State University Marching Band Festival on Saturday and got three straight division 1 ratings at Regional competition on Oct. 20.

The pride, showmanship and discipline come at a price. LISD band students put in many hours of hard work to achieve success. Is the price too high? Should concert band be separated from marching band? Band students and parents will soon have a chance to answer these and other questions on a survey developed last spring by a committee made up of band directors and parents from each high school.

“The survey will be very all-encompassing,” said Assistant Superintendent Brett Champion. “It will look at all aspects of the band program. We want feedback about the whole thing and we're excited to find out what people say.”

The survey is almost finished and should be available in mid-November, in both online and paper versions, Champion said.

CPHS Band Director Steve Wessels noted that Texas high school bands are prohibited from practicing more than eight hours per week by the University Interscholastic League (UIL). Bands that break that rule can be disqualified from UIL events.

Wessels said CPHS band practices sometimes seem long to freshmen who aren't used to the heavier workloads of high school in general. “It's a time of transition,” he said. “It's part of growing up. When kids get older, they're going to spend less time at home. They can spend it with friends, getting in trouble, or in programs like ours, where we keep them busy.”

Wessels isn't keen on the idea of separating the marching band from the concert band program. “In marching band we're teaching them to play their horns,” he said. “It's not just marching. It segues into concert season. If a student were to lay out during marching season, he would be behind everyone else in concert band.”

VRHS Band Director Bryan Christian said marching band helps students develop a strong work ethic and teaches the value of delayed gratification. “I try to help the kids understand that anything worth doing is worth doing well,” he said. “I don't think it's excessive, especially considering the results.”

Christian said his students' practice time is well under the UIL eight-hour limit, averaging seven hours of rehearsal per week, outside the school day. He said band programs in other states - particularly in the northeastern U.S. - have much more grueling practice schedules. “Some bands practice 24 or 25 hours a week,” he said.

Christian said band is very similar to other extra-curricular activities in terms of practice time. “There's no question it takes up a lot of time, but so does football, soccer, and other extra-curricular activities,” he said. “We could spend less time, but the quality would definitely be affected. There are many examples of schools that don't spend as much time as we do and still have good programs, but they are not the same quality that we expect and that the community has become accustomed to.”

Bill Coffey, a VRHS band parent who served on the committee, is among those who feel the programs work their students too hard. “The band program is good for kids, that's very clear,” he said. “As a whole it's good, but we've gone too far in what we're requiring of the kids. I think things have gotten a little too intense. We need to step back and evaluate whether we should have a music program separate from the marching program.”

VRHS band parent Bill Graczyk also had problems with the workload. “In my opinion, it's a little bit excessive and in some cases it's ineffectual,” he said. “My complaint is, kids are locked into this program. If you want any music you have to take it all.” He also feels marching competition has become more important than music education.

“It would be great if marching and concert band could be de-coupled,” he said. “If we can't, then a kid should be able to miss a practice without intimidation for a weekend off or a trip with the family. Band isn't life. Band is a small part of this other thing called education.”

Carla Kirkwood, a CPHS band parent who also served on the marching band committee, does not feel band practice time is excessive. “Anything you do in life, if you don't put time into it, you're going to get a poor result,” she said. “They're teenagers. Most, if they weren't doing this, would be at home playing their games. The things they teach in band - discipline and principles - will help them for the rest of their lives.”

Kirkwood doesn't believe the students are pushed to be competitive. That drive comes from the students themselves. “They don't necessarily do it for the judges,” she said. “They want to do the best they can. When they walk off the field, they want to be able to say, ‘I don't care what the judges said, that was good.'”

Emily Cooper, senior flute player at VRHS, agreed that marching band creates a serious workload, but doesn't find it more than she can handle. “It's a lot, but we can get through it,” she said. “I'm in almost all AP [Advanced Placement] classes and some ACC [Austin Community College] classes. It's a lot of work, but I've been able to do it.”

Stephanie Rusnak, senior trumpet player at VRHS, had a similar perspective. “If you can manage your time properly, you've got time,” she said. “We still need a day off, but we can do it. It's just fine.”

Marching band is just as important as concert band, said Rusnak. “It's a bonding experience for everyone,” she said. “Everyone is going through the exact same thing. There are not a lot of activities like that.”

Reader Comments

The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the view of the Hill Country News, Four Points News or Granite Publications.

Rachel wrote on Nov 16, 2007 10:51 PM:

" As a former band member, I know what time and effort went into a show. I quit this year because I'm taking AP classes. I'm so glad I did- we have so much work to do for our other classes. I hear my old band friends making excuses to teachers 'oh, I couldn't do that assignment because I had band practice yesterday', et cetera. However, some people base their lives around band instead of friends or schoolwork or getting a good night's sleep. "

Old Band "Geek" wrote on Nov 9, 2007 8:49 AM:

" I am new to the Austin area. My wife and I are in our 50's and are having a home built in Leander. I was a member of the Abilene High School band, the oldest marching high school band in Texas, in the mid 70's. My daughter was a all-district trumpet player for two years. As it was in the 70's and the 90's band is an elective. Students choose to sign up for band. Sometimes it makes kids have to make tough decisions, such as to give up band to concentrate on sports. This is a decision my daughter made, by herself, to put her entire effort into basketball. Doesn't this sound a lot like the same type of decisions we have to make in life? The decisions that the young students make should be their own. It will help them later in life. Are you parents who are trying to dictate how these band programs operate going to be able to do the same at where your child will someday be working? I think not. As long as the band programs are not breaking any UIL rules leave them along. Let the students make the decision whether they are tough enough to stick it out. And you parents need to think about what kind of lesson you are teaching them about hard work or quitting. "

Beverly wrote on Nov 4, 2007 9:58 PM:

" All I can say is Yea Band!!!! I put 2 kids through the Leander High School band program, and yes it was hard work. My daughter was often frustrated to tears, but only because she was her own worst critic. Most all band kids are that way. But the discipline required by the students teaches them more than any classroom curriculum ever could. Team work, self-discipline, perserverance, patience, along with a host of other virtures come from the kids sticking to band. But it should be the decision of the student not the parent who often feels inconvenienced, and overwhelmed by the schedule, especially during the month of October when there is a competition every weekend. I loved the time I spent with my kids going to games and competitions. It has brought us closer. (I think this comes from the fact that I'm a former Band Geek myself). So parents: quit complaining, especially if you let your child make the choice between band and athletics (or somethng else. Our son chose band over football and personally, I was glad.) They do learn so much more, and it is more rewarding in the long run. Again I say.... YEA!!!!!!! BAND!!!!!!! "

Proud Band Parent, Disappointed HCN Reader wrote on Nov 4, 2007 5:37 PM:

" My daughter is in her 3rd year in the VRHS marching band, and would not trade the experience for anything, including more sleep and more free time. The excitement of going to State this year is something she and her fellow band members will never forget. Do you honestly think they regret the long hours of work right now? I think the Hill Country News showed spectacularly poor editorial judgement in barely mentioning in passing the VR band's incredible achievement, when another LISD team's accomplishment (laudable, but hardly the equivalent of going to a State completition) was highlighted by a large banner at the top of Page 1. It also showed poor judgement in not divulging that Bill Coffey writes for the paper. I predict this article is going to backfire on him in a significant way--when the band survey comes out this month, he will discover how eager LISD band parents will be to enthusiastically support the Band program and its directors. Our thanks to him for galvanizing this support. "

VR band parent wrote on Nov 3, 2007 10:21 PM:

" It's very disappointing that rather than celebrate the success of the bands, and Vista Ridge going to state for the first time in their history, Bill Coffey was allowed to use it as a platform to make his case--yet again--against marching band practice. First of all, it should have been pointed out in the article that he also writes for the Hill Country News and was being provided with a platform to complain from. He's been beating the "they work them too hard" drum for the last two years. Enough already! The kids may grumble about marching practice, but they all know what it takes to put on a quality show. There are times you have to make a choice about the activities you're involved in. Maybe the marching practice is not the problem, maybe it's time for their child to choose what's really important to him without affecting everyone else. "

Vista Ridge Band Parent wrote on Nov 2, 2007 12:12 PM:

" I am disappointed that your paper has chosen this negative slant to the success of the Vista Ridge Band. I have no doubt that if one of the football teams had made it to state, the write up would have been much different. I have been checking your paper all week to see the write up about our kids and this is what you put out? Our kids have worked hard to get to state and your write up did not reflect the pride this community should have at this time. I understand some parents may have different opinions, fine, that is their right – but this article could have been printed separately, at another time. Your staff should question your decision to run this negative story about a positive event and give our kids the recognition they deserve. "

VRHS Band Parent wrote on Nov 2, 2007 10:41 AM:

" I am disappointed that your paper has chosen this negative slant to the success of the Vista Ridge Band. I have no doubt that if one of the football teams had made it to state, the write up would have been much different. I have been checking your paper all week to see the write up about our kids and this is what you put out? Our kids have worked hard to get to state and your write up did not reflect the pride this community should have at this time. I understand some parents may have different opinions, fine, that is their right – but this article could have been printed separately, at another time. Your staff should question your decision to run this negative story about a positive event and give our kids the recognition they deserve. "

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Parent of Band students wrote on Nov 1, 2007 3:54 PM:

" I, too, weigh in on the side of the students on this: because, for students, band is an incredible experience. What I saw with mine were an incredible sense of responsibility to the team, commitment to work ethic, commitment to practice and continuous improvement, a "safe harbor" in an environment that can be very scary...a large high school. My child was slightly injured during summer band camp his first year (cut his hand) and when I went over to pick up some paperwork, all the kids came over to check how he was...and he had met most of them just that week. I had never seen that kind of caring in a high school group of children before. That compassion and caring for each other continued throughout high school, and those friendships remain strong and current to this day through college. Folks, anything worth doing is worth doing well. Research shows that kids do better in school during marching season, I think because of the time management they have to do and the exercise they are getting. Music helps them with math as well. The band directors and other students support the kids academically if the student is not getting his academic work...they all want to keep the team strong, no matter what it takes. The band hall is one of the few places that a parent can go and be actively welcome by students in a high school..parents help a lot and the kids know it. Go to a band banquet sometime if you want to see what the real band family is...it is the students AND their families, too. Don't deny your child this experience just because he has to work harder or because you have to get up early or go over late to transport him. And, to whomever wrote about taking music and athletics, the state of Texas has solved that for you...with the 4 by 4 program, there's no conceivable way a student could fit that into his schedule. Look at the statistics on how much time your children watch TVs and play video games...now THAT is something worth getting a committee going on...those are scary numbers! These band programs have served our children and this community incredibly well. I hope the school District does not change this program for a small minority that might not want their child to have to work that hard. Most people who are successful credit that success to hard work and sticking to challenges. I hope we do not deny our own children that same opportunity to build their own success. Lastly (really!) whoever made that point about football, said it all...no one seems to complain about all the hours they put in. Nor should they: these are extracurricular programs: sign in or sign out, but let's not destroy something that WORKS! "

Alumni wrote on Nov 1, 2007 1:12 PM:

" "I was in the CP band during all for years of high school, as well as an officer in another organization. On top of both these activities, i worked nearly full time and still found that band was not to demanding for me to handle. Being a part of that organization built characteristics that will stay with me for a lifetime, as wells as friends. I think we should be proud of the three bands in our area, and voice it as often as possible. GO T-WOLVES!!!! "

Ranger Band parent wrote on Nov 1, 2007 11:26 AM:

" As a band parent in attendance at the UIL Area competition on Saturday I cannot put into words what the moment was like when the Ranger Band moved from the finals on to State, the emotion was such that, speaking for my husband and I, we were nearly moved to tears. We knew the kids had done a great job and I knew from my step daughter that the end result was to be proud of the show, and walk away knowing you had done your best. The hours of hard work had more to do with the performance, then about winning. That is no different then a concert band working towards having an outstanding concert. We didn't know until later that the band had placed 2nd out of 24 in the prelims and 3rd out of ten in the finals! It is a shame that your article did not reflect this, this is the farthest in competition that any VRHS marching band has ever made, and we are incredibly proud of them. As the daughter of a music teacher who was a former member of the Marine Marching Band, music and marching are in my blood. I spent three years twirling the baton with my high school's marching band and I would not trade that time or those memories for anything, they are the best memories I have of high school. Watching the kids perform not only brings back those pleasant memories of school, but reminds me of my dad, who is no longer living. That is what music is about; feelings, emotions. A musically solid band (which VRHS is) conveys emotion and there is nothing like the feeling in your chest when the band hits the note at the end of each movement. When you want to be excellent in an activity, sports or music, you do not accomplish that with out practice and commitment, it is hard work! As a community we should be proud and supportive of these kids, our kids, who put their blood, sweat and tears into their performance. We should be supporting the teaching staff, who do such a fine job helping our kids grow and mature. You will not find a harder working group of kids. It is unfortunate for the few kids, who do have to chose between football (or another activity). But, life is about choices. When in life do you get to do everything you want to? If my son attended an LISD school, he would have to make the same choice. My children attend school in another district that is at least the size of LISD, but they don't have marching band, they don't have the budget to support marching, jazz and concert band. And, while my children are involved in their concert and jazz bands, my son has more then once told me he wishes they had marching band. I have to say I am disappointed with the Hill Country News coverage of what the VRHS marching band just accomplished. Instead of an article about their progress this year you printed an article with the tag line "Do they practice too much". Why was it necessary to take what could have been a great human interest story and turn it into a platform for what I'm sure is a small group of parents complaining that their children had to work hard and make sacrifices? This is an insult to children like my step daughter, who, challenges herself to be better, and takes marching band very seriously. As an illustration let me share this; as a photographer I have watched her through the lens of my camera over the last few weeks. After each game or competition, I can't wait to get home and view the pictures. I have captured moments of the kids that will never happen again, and those moments show the love of what they are doing and the determination that goes into every performance. My favorite moment came a couple of weeks ago after the area competition. As I looked through my pictures, I came to one of my step daughter at the end of the first movement in their show, from behind her instrument you can see her smiling, you can see the satisfaction on her face, she knew they had done well. And for me, that smile, that moment, said it all. "

Jim wrote on Nov 1, 2007 11:23 AM:

" Here is my problem with this article. If the high school football team went on to win state wide competitions, would we question how hard they practice? No. Newspapers would heap praise on the team for their great accomplishments. I don't understand this. Band is a team effort, playing, marching working together. When they win, why do we question the time put into it? I just don't get it. "

LISD Band Parent wrote on Nov 1, 2007 7:47 AM:

" The LISD band program ranks among the top band programs in the country for a reason - hard work, dedication, commitment to excellence, teamwork, and the knowledge that anything worth having is worth working hard for. The directors, staff and our kids know this; why don't the parents? Graduates of any of the fine LISD high school band programs have gone on to top colleges and professional positions in many industries throughout the country. These results speak for themselves and provide a legacy of excellence that cannot be denied. It's obvious from the comments of the students who were interviewed for the article that they do not consider the hours that they put in to be excessive. Just the opposite. They realize that they are the ones who receive the benefit from the program in the long run. At the risk of making a sweeping generalization, most of the students who are in band today are the leaders of tomorrow. They are the ones who go above and beyond their peers today. These are the kids who are at the tops of their classes, who are taking pre-AP and AP classes, who are Eagle Scouts, who are leaders in numerous organizations, who are active in their communities and churches, and who recognize that their hard work will place them at the top later on in life. They do not want to settle for mediocrity. They want to excel. They should be allowed to continue to do so. Sure, the hours are long and there are times when band activities are an inconvenience to the parents. But that is the price we as parents pay for having students who are committed to excellence. We as parents should support our children in their endeavors, not try to limit their participation. We should encourage this type of behavior, as our children will continue to benefit throughout their lives by the skills, the work ethic, and the values that they receive today as members of the LISD band program. Life is all about making choices, and our children have made their choices. They have shown us they are willing to work hard. Our children trust us to do what is right for them, so let us now repay that trust. It is up to us to provide our input and guidance, and make the obvious choice about the future of the LISD band program - leave the band program as it is. "

Proud Band Parent wrote on Oct 31, 2007 8:40 PM:

" Yes, band is a lot of work. But the end result is absolutely worth it. And the end result is NOT first place in a contest or a great half-time show... it's the lesson of commitment to a group, teamwork, hard work, learning leadership, goal setting, learning how to handle disapportiments when you don't reach your goals, etc. etc. - It teaches kids time management, prioritization, you name it. Music is really just the by-product. And one other key factor- Cedar Park had 100% pass rate for the band for the first 6 weeks. And the GPA of the kids is actually higher in marching season than in concert season with less time requirements. So yes, it's a commitment. It's hard work. And that's the best thing about it. The thing I find fascinating in the article is not a single student said the workload was too much. "

Band Alumni wrote on Oct 31, 2007 7:03 PM:

" I graduated from Leander High in 2004. I am now about to graduate with a 3.5 from Texas A&M while working two jobs. I have Marching Band to thank for that. It kept me out of trouble, gave me a group of friends, forced me to study, and gave me a work ethic. Band is hard, but it is no harder nor is it more time consuming that any other athletics program. Speaking of athletics, no one would question a football coach telling his players that they cant participate in another sport mid-season. Band is no different, it is just that the "season" is year round. "

alumni wrote on Oct 31, 2007 5:35 PM:

" i was in the Leander Band during my years in high school there. We did rehearse most days out of the week, but we were good. Parents should be proud of the hard work their children are putting in, because look at how well the bands of LISD are doing! VRHS is a pretty new school and they're on their way to state. CP did the same thing when they opened, as well. As far as having time to do both sports and band, it is harder in a bigger school. "

editor wrote on Oct 31, 2007 4:32 PM:

" A thread has been started on the message board http://www.hillcountrynews.com/shared-content/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=62 Feel free to comment there as well "

Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2007 2:27 PM:

" My son played the horn in middle school and wanted to play in a Jazz type band in HS and also play a sport. We were told point blank by the CP Band Dir. “No you have to pick Marching Band or sports”. There is know way you can convince me that is good for the kids. My son... plays sports now and gave up the horn he loved. Oh, he placed in Regional’s and state while in middle school. The Band Director takes them selves way too serous. He has long ago forgotten it’s not about him but the kids love for music. Pretty sad. "

Band Parent wrote on Oct 31, 2007 12:41 PM:

" Band teaches the kids to have discipline. I do not believe the hours they practice are bad at all. I would much rather have my child in band, rather then in front of the tv, on the phone or looking for something to get in trouble. How many kids actually get out of school and get home straight to open their books to study? I am interested to know what the actual statistics are for band students when it comes to failing their courses compared to other extra curricular programs. "

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